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Manchy
11-03-2009, 03:40 PM
Not just a little but up to 88% of GDP to keep things going. And like the USA is going to find out, that leaves you crushing interest payments on your debt. But of course, no one wants to recognize reality and cut government spending to the bone and let the economy find a new and sustainable level. More balloon inflating that will result in disaster.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1103/breaking21.htm


The euro area’s budget deficit will swell to a record next year with all 16 countries breaching EU rules as governments keep pumping cash into their economies, the European Commission forecast.

The budget shortfall for the 16 nations that share the euro will widen to 6.9 per cent of gross domestic product next year from 6.4 per cent in 2009, and ease to 6.5 per cent in 2011, the

Brussels-based commission, the European Union’s executive, said today in its semi-annual economic forecasts. Spain, Greece and Ireland will all have deficits of 10 per cent or more this year and next. Overall government indebtedness will rise to 84 per cent of GDP in 2010 and 88.2 per cent the following year.

However, the European Commission said the euro-area economy may expand 0.7 per cent next year, raising its forecast even as budget deficits and jobless ranks swell further. The EC previously forecast a 0.1 per cent contraction in 2010..

The economy of the 16 countries sharing the euro will resume growth in 2010 and expand 1.5 per cent in 2011, after contracting 4 per cent this year, the Brussels-based commission the European Union’s executive, said today in its semi-annual economic forecasts.

The widening deficits threaten to push up borrowing costs as governments plan to extend stimulus measures until 2011 on concern that recovery from the worst recession in 60 years is unsustainable without them.

All euro-region countries and most of the other EU members will breach the bloc’s deficit limit next year, the commission said. EU rules require deficits to stay below 3 per cent of GDP.

“Once the underlying recovery has gained sufficient traction, i.e. in 2011, a period of fiscal consolidation will have to follow to put public debt back on a sustainable footing,” the commission said in the report.

EU finance chiefs said on October 1st that they probably will not withdraw stimulus programs before 2011. Governments should start to tighten policy once economic growth “takes hold,” EU Monetary Affairs Commissioner Joaquin Almunia said the same day.

Concern that widening budget gaps will overburden governments with debt and hamper economic growth is making investors wary of the higher-spending EU countries. The extra interest demanded to hold Greek, Irish and Spanish debt instead of German equivalents has more than quadrupled since the start of 2008.

Germany designed the EU’s deficit rules in the 1990s to boost confidence in the euro, before embracing French calls for a relaxation after its own deficits started swelling above the limit in 2002.

The rules were loosened in 2005, making it easier for countries breaching the limit to avoid punishment.

Nations that top the deficit ceiling can be subject to economic sanctions, though none has so far been fined. Germany, France and Greece all exceeded the limit in 2004 but were not penalised.

Max Power
11-03-2009, 04:19 PM
I have faith that Europe will do what is best for its people. In the end, we will be ok!

Manchy
11-03-2009, 04:20 PM
This whole faith thing is sort of like wishful thinking in my book. Maybe you should start praying instead.

Max Power
11-03-2009, 06:23 PM
This whole faith thing is sort of like wishful thinking in my book. Maybe you should start praying instead.

Is wishful thinking so bad?

Manchy
11-03-2009, 06:54 PM
Considering its the entire basis of the United State's economic planning for the last 20 years, I'd would have to say YES.

Max Power
11-03-2009, 06:56 PM
Considering its the entire basis of the United State's economic planning for the last 20 years, I'd would have to say YES.

Does faith serve no positive purpose?

What does serve a positive purpose?

Manchy
11-03-2009, 07:06 PM
Long term planning to create a sustainable society is the only solution. But humans are not very good at that. We act very much like a colony of bacteria in a petri dish with a fixed food source. The underlying assumption that governs our behavior is that debt is unlimited, resources are unlimited, and growth is unlimited. That is foolish behavior that will be rewarded with catastrophe.

Faith and hope are simply denial of the reality of how grim our situation truly is.

starscream
11-03-2009, 07:21 PM
What does serve a positive purpose?

Providing an education for your children.

Planning for it before she is a senior in high school and then going to internet message forums for advice.

Manchy
11-03-2009, 07:23 PM
Providing an education for your children.

Your lack of economic knowledge will be your undoing. Better study up on Ford financials so you don't get fired again.